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[robotech_master]

Here are the things I am willing to confess to having done today:

• 10:47 Latest on #TeleRead: FTC DRM meeting underway. Live webcast available for those with better bandwidth than mine. :/ bit.ly/17xnv #
• 11:15 @orensr You might want to use the hashtag #ftcdrm to make your tweets easier to follow. #
• 11:16 @gglockner You might want to use the hashtag #ftcdrm to make your FTC DRM tweets easier to follow with everyone else's... #
• 11:21 @kirkbiglione I'd be happy if I knew they were paying attention to the comments that I mailed in last month. #ftcdrm #
• 11:27 @kirkbiglione #ftcdrm Still working their way through those comments? They've only had two months! #
• 11:33 @wilw I read the whole trilogy. Not bad, though not my usual. #
• 11:38 @zeraphoto You might want to use the hashtag #ftcdrm for tweets pertaining to that meeting. #
• 11:43 @whollymindless If you're at the FTC DRM meeting, might I suggest using the #ftcdrm hashtag when tweeting about it? #
• 11:48 @jdigiacomo The FTC DRM meeting is ongoing, being livetweeted at tinyurl.com/cvuegf #ftcdrm #
• 11:48 @csoghoian Might I suggest using the #ftcdrm hashtag? :) #
• 11:49 @WhollyMindless I don't have the bandwidth for that. I tried. :( #
• 11:51 RT @csoghoian: As Corynne of EFF gives DRM and fair use talk, the industry lawyers on the panel look like they're sucking on lemons. #ftcdrm #
• 11:52 @WhollyMindless Your shortened URL didn't work, could you check it again? #
• 11:53 @KevinHazzard All iTMS music is now DRM-free. But not movies, games, etc. Just music. #
• 11:55 @WhollyMindless When I try to view their stream, it says something about "Preflight SystemCheck" and then nothing else happens. #
• 12:00 @WhollyMindless I tried "skip intro" under Chrome. Nothing happened. Tried Firefox. It crashed my entire browser out. #
• 12:03 @WhollyMindless Nothing doing in Safari, either. #
• 12:06 #ftcdrm Direct URL for video stream: bit.ly/13kzZd (thanks to @whollymindless) #
• 12:10 #ftcdrm Out of curiosity, are any of you livetweeters the 4 ppl whose backs-of-heads are visible in the audience in the video stream? :) #
• 12:12 @zeraphoto If you're at the FTC DRM meeting, might I suggest using the #ftcdrm tag to make it easier to follow you? #
• 12:13 @the_esq @ex_libris It's being discussed using the #ftcdrm hashtag if you'd like to follow the livetweets. #
• 12:18 @WhollyMindless Do we "need" twitter at all? Comment if you have something to say, same as anyone. :) #ftcdrm #
• 12:21 @eff Also, it's being livetweeted with the #ftcdrm hashtag. #
• 12:22 @physicschic @j4legal It's also being livetweeted with the #ftcdrm hashtag #
• 12:23 #ftcdrm "Oops, we don't have time for questions. Oops, yes we do!" :) #
• 12:25 #ftcdrm Discussion of how the "first sale doctrine" is problematic in digital media. Saw that discussed on MobileRead the other day. #
• 12:26 #ftcdrm "You don't need DRM, people can delete their own copy when they transfer it." Yeah, if you can trust them to. #
• 12:26 Maybe we should leave the analogies to professionals too. #ftcdrm #
• 12:31 #ftcdrm I wish people would address the fact that DRM is vulnerable to cracking by its very nature. #
• 12:31 #ftcdrm You cannot have a secure encryption method when you hand both the message *and* the key to the same person. #
• 12:35 @WhollyMindless Pls let me know the direct URL for the next session as soon as you have it. #
• 12:43 @J4Legal Why shouldn't consumers have the same rights for all goods? 1st sale may be no-go, but what about fair use? space shifting? #ftcdrm #
• 12:49 #ftcdrm Ah, looks like the same URL is working for the video now. Next session starting? bit.ly/13kzZd #
• 12:52 #ftcdrm Discussion of harm that DRM systems cause to people's computers. Good. GOOD. #
• 12:53 @J4Legal I feel consumers shouldn't have to give up their Constitutional rights just because everything is all sparkly DIGITAL now. #ftcdrm #
• 13:01 #ftcdrm Email your question to drmtownhall@ftc.gov so they can claim they'll try to work it in, then ignore it as panelists go long... :P #
• 13:09 #ftcdrm Hee hee, comment from the Pirate Party of the United States. Featuring the internal dialogue of the authors. #
• 13:10 #ftcdrm Who's the guy in the green shirt that's talking now? #
• 13:10 @gglockner Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what that last guy's point was. #ftcdrm #
• 13:13 @csoghoian Not all the stores that have failed so far have been the "big boys". SpiralFrog. Embiid on the e-book side. #ftcdrm #
• 13:13 #ftcdrm Granted, SpiralFrog stuff was free, but still. #
• 13:18 @gglockner I suspect they were something to the effect of "be willing and able to show up in Seattle on the appointed date." #ftcdrm #
• 13:21 @kirkbiglione All I can think of is content providers not wanting their stuff to come un-DRM'd if the publisher fails. #ftcdrm #
• 13:22 @halhalpin You might want to use the #ftcdrm hashtag for discussing the event, everyone else is. :) #
• 13:28 @wseltzer You might want to use the #ftcdrm hashtag, everyone else is. :) #
• 13:37 #ftcdrm Get to the point, speaker! #
• 13:38 #ftcdrm Anybody else have any idea where he might be going with this? I'm totally lost. #
• 13:41 #ftcdrm What the hell, man? What was the point of all that? I still don't understand what he was trying to say. #
• 13:42 RT @csoghoian: @robotech_master, summary of current speaker: retailers have a few DRM concerns, P.S. get off my lawn! #ftcdrm #
• 13:43 #ftcdrm Time to respond to each other before responding to audience members = panelists talk and talk, audience members out of luck. :P #
• 13:52 #ftcdrm "There are exemptions! You can make them for legitimate purposes!" Yeah, if you can convince the Lib of Con that it's legitimate. #
• 13:56 #ftcdrm Yeah, everyone who emailed in a question is going to be out of luck. #
• 13:57 @physicschic You might want to use the #ftcdrm tag - everyone else is! #
• 14:01 #ftcdrm Oooh, did they just read my question? The sound cut out while they were reading it. #
• 14:03 #ftcdrm Ooh, "speed bump". Next they're going to say something about "keeping honest people honest." :P #
• 14:04 #ftcdrm So, he says we should pay extra for every separate use? Irrespective of the Supreme Court RIAA vs. Diamond space-shifting decision? #
• 14:06 #ftcdrm Talking about rentals is a RED HERRING. If I *buy the DVD* I *still* can't watch multiple places w/o breaking the DRM!!! #
• 14:08 #ftcdrm ...make fair use by POINTING A VIDEO CAMERA at the screen? Words like "arrogant condescension" fail me. #
• 14:21 If the audience question they asked (my sound cut out) was how DRM can be useful when it's so easily broken, it was my question. #ftcdrm #
• 14:21 #ftcdrm They answered it by largely ignoring it. Falling back to the old "speed bump" theory + "most people aren't good enough hackers". #
• 14:23 #ftcdrm But with Google, you don't have to be a "hacker" to break DRM. Google convertlit or MobiDeDRM or PML2HTML, for some e-book examples. #
• 14:25 @WhollyMindless And if you're off in some country that doesn't have a DMCA-style law, you can just laugh about it. Ask DVDJon. #ftcdrm #
• 14:27 #ftcdrm And nobody will ever know if some random consumer chooses to break DRM in the privacy of his own home for his own personal use... #
• 14:44 #ftcdrm So far the only blogs I've seen summarizing the meeting are @orensr's: bit.ly/q66ZZ #
• 14:45 @eachus Theoretically, we have the legal right to space-shift our media, as per RIAA vs. Diamond Multimedia (CD-to-mp3-ripping case) #FTCDRM #
• 14:56 #ftcdrm Don't know if rent should = watch anywhere, but buy definitely should. But you can't legally put your DVD on your iPod like MP3s. #
• 15:08 #ftcdrm You know, that third panel was supposedly called "DRM In Action". But maybe they typoed, and it SHOULD have been "DRM Inaction". :) #
• 15:14 #ftcdrm Stream is live. Tune into the FTC DRM panel here: bit.ly/13kzZd #
• 15:16 #ftcdrm Mine was a video link. #
• 15:19 #ftcdrm Starting with a Jeff Bezos clip from the Daily Show. #
• 15:22 #ftcdrm "Informed public creates pressure to push DRM toward forms that have better value proposition." Like, say, none at all? #
• 15:23 #ftcdrm "Guidance to consumers what activities are and are not permitted" -> Producers don't have the right to determine what's permissible! #
• 15:23 #ftcdrm That's up to the law! Producers shouldn't be able to retrofit additional extra-legal restrictions over what the law allows! #
• 15:25 #ftcdrm "If DRM violates established consumer expectations, there needs to be disclosure." #
• 15:26 #ftcdrm "When expectations issue isn't clear, default = look to open, unprotected media formats as baseline for comparison." #
• 15:29 #ftcdrm "Consumers don't pay attention to TOS because they know it's not meant to inform them, but instead to protect the company legally." #
• 15:29 @arstechnica You might want to use the #ftcdrm hashtag; everyone else is. #
• 15:30 RT @arstechnica: FTC: We'll "come calling" about deceptive DRM - ping.fm/WPTSo #ftcdrm #
• 15:36 #ftcdrm A lot of talk about "digitally dangerous" products. But what about products that are just "digitally annoying"? #
• 15:37 #ftcdrm Prepared statement = watch other visible panelists fidget :) #
• 15:39 #ftcdrm Fidget, panelists, fidget! #
• 15:40 #ftcdrm Seriously, this guy's monotone is making it kind of hard for me to concentrate on what he's saying. Feels like I'm in college again. #
• 15:43 @gglockner That may be where the website transcription eventually comes from. #ftcdrm #
• 15:45 #ftcdrm Oooh. He presents a prepared statement and then does NOT read it. I like him already. #
• 16:05 "I am also following the #ftcdrm twitter stream" --from drmtownhall's response to an emailed question. Big Brother is watching us! :) #
• 16:06 @kirkbiglione So maybe it's not asking too much after all. :) #ftcdrm #
• 16:14 #ftcdrm Like you're going to get a media producer to label his product that some copyright-legal uses of it have been disabled. #
• 16:14 #ftcdrm That's like expecting cigarette manufacturers to be happy about "Our product will kill you" warning labels. #
• 16:19 #ftcdrm Audience Q: "In educating high/mid sch. students about copyright, they don't understand what copyright/DRM means." -> #
• 16:19 #ftcdrm -> "And can we codify labeling about fair use rights somehow?" #
• 16:21 #ftcdrm "Esoteric area, lots of shades of grey. It's just a problem. This is a very sophisticated legal issue." #
• 16:24 #ftcdrm "Can't read EULA w/o opening product and voiding ability to return product." #
• 16:24 @jafrank Tell that to Gordon Brown. :) #ftcdrm #
• 16:27 #ftcdrm Aud Q: why is "Free Culture," free on-line, DRM'd on the Kindle. What the panelists should say: "Ask Jeff Bezos." :) #
• 16:28 #ftcdrm That 2nd question was mine, but they didn't read the context. I was talking about RIAA vs. Diamond Multimedia per CDs vs. DRM DVDs. #
• 16:29 #ftcdrm I wanted some discussion specifically on the space-shifting aspect. :/ #
• 16:31 An audience Q brings up the DTV transition. Wonder if he saw it on #ftcdrm. :) #
• 16:33 #ftcdrm I been boingboinged! tinyurl.com/dg3vf8 #
• 16:34 #ftcdrm And this audience Q *almost* gets at my space-shifting question, but doesn't bring it home. #
• 16:36 @jafrank I sent in my question, and they asked it. The problem is they asked *the last line* and not the 3 lines that set it up. #ftcdrm #
• 16:37 @jafrank If I'd been there, I could have asked the whole thing with context. Like that guy tried to but didn't. Grrr, it's annoying. #ftcdrm #
• 16:47 #ftcdrm Video feed starting again. mms://cdl.earthcache.net/wlj-01.media.qualitytech.com/COMP008760SCH1_FTC_live.wmv #
• 16:48 #ftcdrm "Unfortunately, Miss Cleo couldn't be here today..." #
• 16:58 #ftcdrm Can anyone summarize the issue here in such a way as it can be emailed in as an audience question? bit.ly/ujeCk #
• 17:05 #ftcdrm Emailed my Amazon vs. Mobipocket question in, simplifying it as much as I could. Hope they ask it and don't make a hash of it. #
• 17:17 #ftcdrm Video games: "The pirates always win" even as publishers use ever-tougher, ever user-unfriendlier DRM solutions. #
• 17:18 #ftcdrm Provides more incentive to pirate. Consumers buying legal copy to own then downloading pirated copy for actual use. #
• 17:18 #ftcdrm "How many pirated copies actually represent lost revenue? Why has DRM been so ineffective?" #
• 17:23 #ftcdrm Oh joy, a powerpoint. Which the camera won't show us. :P #
• 17:24 "DRM not at all successful in the market. (95% of music downloads illegal.) We should look at why that is." #ftcdrm #
• 17:25 "Need to co-opt ISPs. Balance consumer's right to privacy w/ content owner's right to make living." Yeah, good luck with that. #ftcdrm #
• 17:27 "Consumers want clarity. We should come out w/ Consumer Bill of Digital Rights." #ftcdrm #
• 17:29 #ftcdrm Discussing how geographic unavailability turns his friends into "criminals" when they return to Europe hooked on US show. #
• 17:31 #ftcdrm "Why don't we have interoperable DRM? People who produce them (iTunes, etc.) don't want to share them with others." #
• 17:31 #ftcdrm "Much more expensive to maintain your own DRM than an open one." #
• 17:32 @WhollyMindless Security through obscurity? I've never heard of that! #ftcdrm (grin, duck, run) #
• 17:34 #ftcdrm Flickr search current speaker is talking about: www.flickr.com/search/?q=DRM #
• 17:35 "DRM doesn't curb those that it was meant for." Talking about Chinese street vendor pirate discs. #ftcdrm #
• 17:37 #ftcdrm "We need to rethink DRM altogether & move out of false dichotomy of all-protected vs. all-free." #
• 17:38 #ftcdrm "Reinstate the user, his role & rights. Presumption of innocence. 3-strikes approaches = catastrophe, no pres. of inno." #
• 17:38 #ftcdrm "Burden of proof on wrong end." #
• 17:39 #ftcdrm "Principle: 'No DRM system should get in the way of lawful use.' Very hard problem to tackle. Enabling DRM exception management." #
• 17:40 #ftcdrm "Reverse distrust assumption. Allow users to make claims for exceptions in situations they consider legitimate. Grant license." #
• 17:41 #ftcdrm "Is there room to 'go green' with DRM before we all go dark?" #
• 17:47 #ftcdrm Nobody's addressed the fact that *serious* pirates, like those Chinese street vendor suppliers, just copy DVDs, DRM and all. #
• 17:48 #ftcdrm Instead, it's all how this group "Reloaded" (ominous musical sting) cracks everything as fast as possible. #
• 17:49 #ftcdrm "Instead of consumer, we should be taking down sites consumer gets this stuff from." Yeah, good luck with that. #
• 17:49 #ftcdrm "If we were to end piracy we would have far less need for strong DRM." Yeah, but if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. #
• 17:50 #ftcdrm And if elephants could fly, we'd all have to drive around in armored tanks. #
• 17:53 #ftcdrm Net question: "Isn't fair use a legal question, not something to be determined by algorithm?" #
• 17:54 #ftcdrm One panelist compares it to being known vs. anonymous sharing. Given to your buddy vs. shared with strangers. #
• 17:54 #ftcdrm "Right to profit is in the constitution? Where?" They think it falls under right to patent. They're WRONG. #
• 17:55 #ftcdrm The Constitution talks about promoting science and the useful arts. Not about making sure content creators are paid. #
• 17:56 #ftcdrm Audience member now talking about SecuROM in kind of a long and rambling fashion. "Honest customers are the ones being screwed." #
• 17:57 #ftcdrm "Game publishers are the ones we feel are pushing extreme DRM agenda. We want FTC to take rifle, go protect henhouse from foxes." #
• 17:58 #ftcdrm Panelist says SecuROM represents failure; DRM should be transparent to users. #
• 17:59 #ftcdrm Panelist wonders, "What is gaming industry doing to police its ranks?" #
• 18:02 #ftcdrm "The dead elephant in the room is 'who pays for DRM?'" #
• 18:03 #ftcdrm "Reason why you don't have interoperability is that companies paying for DRM are the ones with interest in platform lock-in." #
• 18:04 @WhollyMindless Well, @halhalpin and @csoghoian have admitted to it...or at least talked about their time on the panels. :) #ftcdrm #
• 18:05 #ftcdrm "If Steve Jobs had been willing to license FairPlay to his competitors, we would never have had open mp3 sales." #
• 18:06 #ftcdrm Oooooh, DISSED!! @csoghoian casts aspersion on panelist's parenting skills. :) #
• 18:08 #ftcdrm Right, so, if we're not going to have time to cover the questions, why read them? #
• 18:09 #ftcdrm Musical chairs as panelists shuffle into place for the "Ask the FTC" session. I hope they read my Mobipocket question completely. #
• 18:11 #ftcdrm Remember, if you have questions or comments for the FTC, send 'em to drmtownhall@ftc.gov #
• 18:13 #ftcdrm It would be nice if someone would ask them what the FTC is going to do with the public comments they received. #
• 18:13 #ftcdrm I've already sent a question in so feel like I shouldn't bogart the queue. #
• 18:16 #ftcdrm They read my question. Dead silence for a moment. "We can't comment on specific scenarios." #
• 18:17 #ftcdrm Still, I feel vindicated that the question has been raised in public. #
• 18:20 #ftcdrm And the discussion about what they've done in the past concerning actions taken by DRM-using companies is interesting. #
• 18:21 @WhollyMindless Yeah. I'm not sure why the hashtagged comments I've just made aren't showing up. #
• 18:24 #ftcdrm Current speaker discussing the disconnect between "ownership" vs. "right to use." Consumers believe they own, publishers they use. #
• 18:26 Odd. Apparently twitter search has stopped delivering results. I search on #ftcdrm and only get stuff 15 minutes old. #
• 18:32 @twitter Your search system seems to have eaten itself. #
• 18:37 @WhollyMindless I think Twitter's search servers have crashed or something. I've submitted a help request. #
• 18:41 #ftcdrm A question concerning implications of DRM for photos. Also, how to educate hard-to-educate consumers. #
• 18:45 @csoghoian springboarded off the answer to my question asking what the FTC could do if a DRM-server company went bankrupt. #ftcdrm #
• 18:45 #ftcdrm The answer: not much. #
• 18:46 reclaimyourgame.com rep: "We want labeling. That's the low-hanging fruit. That's the minimum you should be thinking about." #ftcdrm #
• 18:47 #ftcdrm "You shouldn't have more rights to my computer than I do. I own my computer." #
• 18:47 #ftcdrm "We want you to ensure that fair use & doctrine of first sale are respected by DRM. We want researchers able to publish findings." #
• 18:48 #ftcdrm "DRM should have a lifespan. It should self-terminate at the end of that lifespan. Producers should put removal method in escrowe." #
• 18:49 #ftcdrm "Stop tying activations to hardware profiles. New video card != new computer." #
• 18:50 #ftcdrm Jonathan Franklin, librarian: "Points about notice, scope of what is being excluded, self-help, interoperability." #
• 18:50 #ftcdrm "Link to copyright. FTC provide comments to copyright office, require pre-purchase notice as prereq for DMCA enforcement." #
• 18:50 #ftcdrm "Are there areas where the FTC has successfully wielded carrot rather than stick?" #
• 18:54 #ftcdrm Talking about photographers' rights now. How you can't just duplicate your own school photos once you get them back. #
• 18:56 #ftcdrm Net question: DRM squeezing secondary resale/rental market, does this trigger FTC concerns. #
• 18:57 #ftcdrm Answer: depends on whether consumer could reasonably expect to re-sell their product. #
• 18:58 #ftcdrm And that's the show. They're wrapping up and thanking everyone. Game over man, game over. #
• 19:03 #ftcdrm Though not directly related to the FTC DRM town hall, NPR's All Things Considered had a DRM story today. bit.ly/E4Mv #
• 19:57 @kindlejunkie They fell into the false dichotomy of "sell with DRM" or "give away DRM-free." What about Baen, who SELLS DRM-free? #
• 20:48 @WhollyMindless Think they're mainly concerned about people not ripping off their photos. #ftcdrm #
• 21:27 Karaoke is fun...but depressing to learn how far outside your range some of your favorite songs are... #
• 22:09 Songs I have the perfect range so far: "Brown Eyed Girl" and "I Just Called to Say I Love You". #
• 22:09 Disappointed I can't go high enough for: "Drops of Jupiter" and "More Than a Feeling". #
• 22:12 And songs I do in falsetto: "Stayin' Alive". #
• 22:21 Off to bed. #
• 22:23 @WhollyMindless It actually can be a problem for, say, wedding photographers or other portrait photographers. #ftcdrm #